Following Logan Isaac’s September 2016 federal complaint, a compliance officer with the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP) interviewed the Chaplain of the Divinity School at Duke University, among other managerial employees. The interview was conducted over the phone on February 3, 2017. Here is a link to the OFCCP interview notes which we received through a Freedom of Information Act request. Some commentary is provided below the break which may provide some context as to why this interview is significant.


According to the Senior VP’s testimony, “Everyone” attends EEO training (q.31), which includes Veteran Status (q.29, 33, 34), and that the training is “required” for all employees (q.32).

The Chaplain, however, does “not know the specifics” of an EEO policy (q.20), does “not know” how the policy is shared (q.23), and “would say yes” to having attended a training (q.24). Despite being a managerial employee, the chaplain could not confirm if those policies covered Veteran Status (q.25). When asked who attended trainings and whether it was required, despite the ambiguous testimony from moments prior, the Chaplain’s response was exactly the same as the Senior VP’s – “Everybody” (q.27) and “Yes.” (q.28)

In question 12, the Chaplain fails to recall multiple emails exchanged with Isaac the year prior, responding with “I have no idea what he is talking about” to a question that asks what issues were discussed in emails from 2013-2015.

In 2013, with Will Fisher and another student veteran who wishes to remain anonymous, Isaac created and pitched a veteran-focused “Advanced Spiritual Formation” module (mentioned as part of her responsibilities in q.5). The Chaplain turned it down, stating there was no budget for another module. Isaac followed up another year, and got more reasons why it wouldn’t work; when told the budget had not changed, Isaac offered to lead a pilot module without pay. However, the chaplain didn’t want to set a precedent by not compensating a module leader. A third year, Isaac tried again, as an alumni, upon continued stated interest from enrolled veterans. In the process, Isaac spoke with an individual (mentioned by name in q.33), sharing with that person requested specifics about the content and structure.

On August 26, 2016, Isaac learned that the chaplain had created the module after all, but assigned it to the individual who requested specific information about Isaac’s planned structure and content. This conflicts with the chaplain’s repeated claim that there was no budget for such a module. This seemed more an intellectual property issue than a straightforward employment discrimination issue, which is why Isaac did not include it in his DoL complaint.

Isaac’s most recent email to the chaplain regarding this issue was November 14, 2016, less than three months before her phone interview with OFCCP. Her inability to recall any detail of these concerns therefore casts suspicion upon either her fitness for a pastoral position requiring such retention or, more importantly, the veracity of her testimony.


Other OFCCP interviews can be found here.

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